Barons of the Galaxy Forum - Negotiating Table - Moon Charter - Use of Artifacts - Messages http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Barons of the Galaxy Forum - Negotiating Table - Moon Charter - Use of Artifacts - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Sun, 21 May 2017 16:00:31 GMT Sun, 21 May 2017 16:00:31 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Vulpex
The deployment of geoscorchers or superviruses anywhere in Sol will be condemned by the signatories of the moon charters. Anyone supplying artifacts used for such purposes will be banned from maintaining facilities on the moon.

All other artifacts may be lawfully built and deployed by any corporation. Sale and transfer of artifacts is permitted so long as the first clause of this article is respected.

24 hours for final comments - at that stage this will be considered approved.
edited by Vulpex on 5/21/2017]]> Sun, 21 May 2017 16:00:31 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from EdwardBishop Fri, 19 May 2017 19:01:39 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Hutton Fri, 19 May 2017 17:04:26 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Vulpex Hutton wrote:
An addendum to that, are we taking a stand on use of prohibited tech on the outer planets, or just on earth?


I propose to cover Sol but not any systems beyond that.]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 16:29:37 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Vulpex RadCavalier wrote:
Do we plan to have punitive measures for corporations that may not be aware of the treaty and then punish them for their ignorance?


You do realize that if they are not aware of this treaty they will not have a research base on the moon and therefore not have any artifacts to sell right?

So whoever has a moon base and sells an artifact to corporation which then releases a scorcher for instance, forfeits their research base on the moon. So yes, careful with what you sell and to whom.
edited by Vulpex on 5/19/2017]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 16:27:19 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Hutton Fri, 19 May 2017 15:29:39 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Hutton
I don't see it coming up very often because there isn't any profit in it. There might be a point some day where someone has more money than god and has gotten over the game and decides to go out with a bang, Glgvir the Unflayed style, I suppose. But that person is probably going to have a small empire in a different sector to prepare that plot.

But just because there isn't a huge incentive we have to deter isn't a reason to not make regulations. God I love regulations! (There is no sarcasm in that statement).]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 15:28:40 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from RadCavalier
This new proposition of trade embargo with corps in violation of the treaty may be a taller order than you are initially intending.

In this, I feel it is a much more realistic proposition to limit ourselves to the management of which research facilities employ themselves on the Moon, rather than attempt to maintain a database of those in violation and those who supply those in violation. Complications will grow exponentially.]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 14:54:41 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Vulpex EdwardBishop wrote:
I agree with the ban on artifacts of mass destruction. Other military applications should not be banned as they can aid in the fight against the pirates, aliens, and the machines.


You are right - that is why you don't ban the production of an artifact but rather it's use. If someone deploys a Geotechnical artifact as a scorcher - BAM ban. No more research facility and no more selling artifact to that corporation.

The same is true with the nanite swarm, in that the artifact which becomes a nanite swarm has other justified uses. The reason why I included the nanite swarm in this is because it can only be used to damage structures - i.e. defenses and production facilities. There is no defensive use at all you cannot stop an attack with it and it is at best used to retaliate, at worst used to destroy infrastructure. Remember the basis of the Moon Charter is to ensure growth and prosperity for Sol.]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 13:25:47 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Hutton
I'm not really worried about nanite swarms. There could be a convention against using them and a pledge to go to war with anyone who does. Or maybe say that they are used exclusively at the discretion of the Emperor.

Geotechnicals should only be built after petitioning for permission from the stake holders. That way permission is only granted to someone credible, like Bussiness Bussiness, for example. Anyone spotted researching a one without permission shall lose their deposit.]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 12:35:21 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from EdwardBishop Fri, 19 May 2017 10:12:28 GMT http://forum.baronsofthegalaxy.com/topic2596-moon-charter--use-of-artifacts.aspx Message from Vulpex 1) Artifacts which are beneficial to the development of mankind.
2) Artifacts which are beneficial to the economy of a single company
3) Artifacts which are beneficial to the military power of a single company
4) Artifacts which are nefarious to the development of mankind.
The question at h and is to clarify where each artifact lies and whether certain artifacts should be banned or restricted.
As a starting proposal – I propose that the use of artifacts which are nefarious to the development of mankind be banned.
These would include geo-scorchers, supervirus and nanite swarms.
Anyone corporation using them would be removed from the moon and will no longer be allowed to purchase any kind of artifact.
Artifacts which benefit the military of a corporation include:
Cybertronic (excluding nanite swarm), Mysterious and Metaphysics artifacts, it will be worth discussing if such artifacts need to be restricted in some way.
Artifacts which benefit the economy of a single player are the dimensional artifacts, there is no reason to restrict these artifacts.
Artifacts which benefit mankind are the geoboosters. The development and use of these artifacts should be encouraged.
Please express your views below on how you see the use of artifacts on the moon.
edited by Vulpex on 5/19/2017]]> Fri, 19 May 2017 04:25:37 GMT